It has been brought to my attention that I haven't given place to the latest interview with Joe in Tape Op Magazine. And that is indeed a bit of a shame, since it is a great interview, and a must if you appreciate Joe's Work.
Like Bren Davies, the interviewer starts :
"It is rare that I start an interview talking about music production and
finish the same interview feeling like I have been mentored by a wise
man from another era."
Take your time (it is well spent) and get insight on how Joe engages himself in producing records, and how it evolved in his life.
That's something I learned from T Bone 20 years ago. He said, "Joe, we
don't tell people what to play. You invite people into the room and
encourage them. Make them feel protected and safe. They'll give you
everything they have. You can't stop them from doing it."
Read wonderful words from him about his collaborators and inspirations :
On T Bone Burnett and Allen Toussaint
I gravitated towards them without even knowing that was something I needed.
On S. Husky Höskulds
He's not just documenting each moment; he's contributing to its creation.
On Ryan Freeland
It's critical to understand that Ryan is a musician first. As a
recording engineer, his approach to that job, as well as
problem-solving, is inherently musical. It's not technical, even though
he is a technical master.
Enjoy his story on some of his highlights :
- Don't Give up on Me (Solomon Burke)
-Look Again to the Wind: Johnny Cash's Bitter Tears Revisited (Various)
Recording 'Shine a light' with Billy Bragg
Last month, Belgian online magazine enola, had an interview with Joe. He was at the time touring with his album Thrum in Europe.
They asked him who he would like to produce, if he had Carte Blanche.
"Sonny Rollins, or Bill Withers. I even think I already wrote both of them, or talked to them.
Sonny has retired, and I don't think he'll make another record. I believe around 8 years ago, I wrote him a letter to say it was a dream for me to work with him. He was verry friendly and he wrote me back, saying he was verry busy. His wife passed away recently at the time, so my dream had to wait.
They also asked him for which album he would like to be remembered.
"Tough choice. For more than 1 reason it could be Allen Toussaint's The Bright Mississippi. I am verry proud of the way we worked on that one, and I really loved him. Another one I'm verry proud of, is Don't Give up on Me (Solomon Burke). Maybe because it came so early in my producing career. I'd only produced two other artists at the time, so the fact that I got the job was not a safe gamble for him. It was an important album for both of us."
(freely translated. Original interview by Bjorn Weynants for Enola)
coincidentally, on twitter, someone suggested a collaboration with Bob Dylan, and if time travelling existed : Edith Piaff.
Well, that's a wrap...
Joe travelled through Europe for almost 2 weeks, and gave every audience a wonderful evening.
Before starting the shows, Joe was a guest at the UK, Americana 2018 Conference. He had an extensive interview with Bob Harris, in the series 'In Conversation with'.
Thank you again to Bob Harris for the ‘in Conversation’ event. Every
year we end with an in-depth conversation between Bob and a member of
the Americana community. This year it was renowned artist and producer,
Joe Henry, and was once again it was a triumph – really special and
varied conversation that had the whole room captivated on topics from US
politics to secrets of the trade. It was so compelling and flew by, a
really brilliant way to end the conference.(source)
The reactions of audiences, everywhere where very warm. In Hamburg it even seems it was a little too hot. I found this review : (freely translated)
...Actually it is not fair to criticize a concert that is performed musically at such a high level and goes on for so long. But it was not perfect. To begin with, Prinzenbar burst out of its seams. With more than 200 visitors it was not only sold out, but unfortunately a little too full. People stood on the stairs and in every small column of the room. This was not only at cost of the oxygen quality, but also
the general feeling : Many fans could not even see their star.
On the other hand, Joe Henry somehow embraced the respect for the unapproachable during the concert. at the same time the singer also talked more than once about what he had thought of which song. Henry's aura was friendly but strangely far away. It would have been nice if there had been more seats. Because Joe Henry's, sometimes sizable, but always melancholic folk songs invite you to hug eachother and not to dance.
But hey, All this is complaining at the highest level ...
I went to see him in Brussels, and wrote the following :
As mentioned before : The Bremen concert has been recorded for a radiobroadcast. The airing date for it is not yet set. But according to setlist.fm this is what we can expect:
Trampoline / Lead me on / After the War / Climb / Believer / Now and Never / Sold / Odetta / Our Song / God only knows / Grave Angels / Short man's room / Hungry / Keep us in song / Eyes out for You /// Love is Enough / For the Good Times
Almost every evening he made small adjustements to his setlist, but it gives you a general idea of what Joe offered us over here.
And on the last evening in Dublin, everyone was treated by Lisa Hannigan who sang along on 'Lead me on'.
He played some songs from his latest album Thrum live. Besides talking about that album he, also spoke about producing the Steep Canyon Rangers, Harry Belafonte,... about meeting Joan Baez, and hearing her perform on of his songs for the upcoming album Whistle down the wind. On that album you will find Joan Baez bring Joe's 'Civil War'.
Henry recently “outted” himself in the press as a lover of
poetry, whose blues-inflected songs grow directly out of the verse he
reads. Until now, he has not spoken in detail about his poetic passions
and influence.read more
In the days before the Thrum tour started with a 3-day residentie in Durham, several interviews with Joe emerged. Maybe even more than previously, I noticed each time the interest in how these songs saw the face of day, What do they mean? and where do they go?
While with 'Invisible Hour' everyone wrote about it as a poetic approach towards marriage, with 'Thrum' people seem to be checking if these songs are what they think they are ?
As an intro we receive the story of how the song Hurricane, W Va. ended up on his debut album 'Talk of Heaven'.
We learn that it was a roadsign he, and his brothers, crossed travelling through West Virginia, and that he found it a good title.
“When I wrote that song, I was writing something that I was trying to
imagine someone like Johnny Cash might record, just to see if I could,”
How do all these songs form an album ? was a question several journalists asked.
"...At a certain point I’m writing songs and throwing them onto a pile. At
some moment I understand that there’s a number of them that are sharing
vocabulary, emotional weather and intention. And when I recognize that
there are three, four, five songs that are inter-related in a
way—sometimes I can articulate how I think they are and sometimes it’s a
more instinctive understanding. And then I kind of listen to what I
think they need to thrive....(source)"
We know, f.e. that the song 'Believer' and 'The Glorious Dead' where written years prior to releasing 'Thrum', and even performed live on occasions. But 'keep us in song' was written during the first UK leg of the 'Shine a light' tour.
In the end, how we interpret all these songs, is up to us: the audience. But for The album 'Thrum' Joe wanted to clear the air, and state that he did not write them as political songs.
In an interview Jay N. Miller gave the following interpretation to Joe : "Basically, we’d suggest the songs are about fear and uncertainty, and
somehow managing to pilot yourself through those hard times and doubts."
JH : "I’d say the songs are about all those things,............I’d be hard pressed to tell you
exactly what the songs meant in some cases, but I think fear and
trembling is something we are seeing today, as people, and as a nation.
The political moment is part of the moment we stand in, but I’ve never
written songs to address a political moment. I don’t want that kind of
authority. I’m more interested in looking at what does fear and
trembling do to us as individuals? How do we abide and continue in times
like these?"
"I always want to write about things that challenge
us as human beings,” Henry continued. “How we all try to deal with the
inevitable, stand in the moment, and abide it, or don’t.....................
Sometimes songs mean different
things to different people, so if some people see commentary in these
songs, that’s their right.”
I have written down my view on 'Thrum'. But if I had to say it in 1 sentence : I interpret the album as the climb, both we personally and as a society need to do.... Are doing!
Joe told Rob Beyers what the circumstances where, when and how he wrote 'Keep us in song'. I remember verry wel the overall feel in that period. 4 days after he wrote that song, I saw him perform in Portsmouth. It was a period full of worries for all of us. Knowing what I know today, I think those days marked the verry beginning of a Climb Joe, at first personally, had to face, and turn that in getting us all on board to climb. I am actually relieved that he wasn't alone touring in the UK, but Billy Bragg was right there with him. Both of them turned those shows in perhaps the most important tour you could witness in the UK, maybe even Europe.Today, we are climbing. We are on our way up !
Me personally I also had to climb, and f.e. music has helped me with that.
2 Years ago, when ISIS attacked Paris's conterchall Bataclan. Fear struck all the way to Brussels. Venue Ancienne Belgique, closed for several days. It is a venue, similar to Bataclan, so there was actual fear. Trixie Whitley opened the doors again. All those dreadful events made that concert, in Belgium, almost symbolic. Before it actual started, we all sang along with Bob Marley's 'one love'. The emotions in that room, the statement we made there together where of the utmost strength !
BTW, it's the place Joe himself will perform in a few months.
A few months later, Brussels itself got attacked by ISIS at the airport, and on the subway. It was the period Birds of Chicago toured with 'Real Midnight'. Their song on how we have to look out for eachother, together. Their concert, and my converation with them was another step up the ladder.
Seeing Bill and Joe preached the importance of solidarity in Portsmouth helped us all, together !
Hearing Billy Bragg perform in Antwerp a few weeks ago helped us all, together !
And hearing the 'Thrum' songs helps us :
Together !
Well, this was supposed to be a round up of some interviews, but I got carried away again... Perhaps I should title this post something like : Life in Song, or song in Life. I don't know...
WfUV Asked Joe to give us John Prine's 5 most essential songs.
In truth, I’d be hard pressed to just choose the five most essential
off his first album alone. And though I’ll play along and invite you to
pretend right with me that such a smattering might possibly be
suggestive of the whole of his wide-arcing story, this will never really
do....
In the meantime : enjoy Joe himself perform John Prine's 'Stormy Windows' together with Birds of chicago. And these last ones, I discovered, have their upcoming European tourdates on the site. Mark your calendars !
I was incredibly influenced by Joe's work as a producer. It explains a really special time in musical history, one where we should be verry proud of. It doesn't feel as distant in the past as the other things that have that affect on me. That was happening 15 years ago.
(Kenneth Pattengale)
Steve Dawson had Kenneth Pattengale as a guest for his Extraordinary podcast Musicmakers and soulshakers. A Podcast that already featured several JH Aficionado, including Joe Himself and Ryan Freeland.
Listen to his musical path. And at the end of the almost 2 hour episode he explains how his relationship with Joe started and grew. (starts at 1:34:30)
Listen f.e. to an excerpt of his 2009 duet with Joe entitled Big Time, but also maybe his biggest Horror story. ;-)
March 2016, Joe Henry and Billy Bragg boarded the train from Chicago to L.A. and recorded the album, “shine a light, Field recordings from the great American railroad”. They brought us wonderful versions of this true Musical Heritage. But they were not alone on the train. Amongst them, for example, was also Ryan Freeland who recorded the music. You can see him sitting somewhere in the back in the videoclips that were made to promote the album. Ryan is Joe’s longtime collaborator in the recording studio. Without Ryan Freeland, even more so for this album, we would not be able to hear these recordings the way we can hear them today at home. I asked him, if he would like to bring us his story from that trainride, and he generously accepted...
I was thrilled to be asked to work with Billy Bragg again and, as always, honored to work with my friend Joe Henry. It was also an interesting challenge to think of a way to bring my love of recording onto a train. I needed to find a way to capture the feel of the train stations, platforms, and compartments while keeping the performances sonically engaging.
Making a record on a train is completely different than doing it in a studio. They asked Ryan over a month in advance. So now he could start and figure out a way to do it….
When I was in high school at Interlochen Arts Academy I recorded a lot of the musician’s college audition tapes. Back then I had a Yamaha cassette four track which I purchased with the help of my folks and money I made from mowing lawns. I also have always been fascinated with the Lomax field recordings and the fact that he had figured out a way to get a rig that fitted in a car and ran off the car battery. So I was familiar with those recordings and techniques and was intrigued by the idea of doing my modern twist on the idea of field recording. The whole rig needed to fit into a case that conformed to airline checked baggage limitations. I had a second case the same size with the custom Latch Lake mic stand they built for me, as well as some cables. That bag was tricky trying to stay under the 50-pound airline weight restrictions. I had traveled to New Orleans with a much bigger rig for recording at Alan Toussaint’s house about a year before he died. That rig was very heavy and resulted in about $250 of extra airline checked baggage fees. After that experience I swore I’d try and do my best to keep things within the airline restrictions. So I tried to keep everything as simple and streamlined as possible so I could get to the spot and be up and running in just over a minute. You can’t believe how long that minute seemed when everyone is looking at you and waiting for you to indicate that you were recording. A simpler rig would have made things much easier on me but I really had this 4 mic idea and wanted to see if I could pull it off given all the space and time restraints. It was a really interesting set of variables and I was really happy with how it turned out.(1)
Now, the hardest part was figuring out how to record 4 phantom powered ribbon microphones on a laptop all completely powered from batteries. I had recently watched some YouTube clips on the AEA Nuvo series mics and was very impressed. I immediately thought they would be perfect for this project because of their natural musical soundscape, their robustness, and their solid windscreens. I did a lot of experimenting because of all of the variables and the intense time constraints once we jumped off the train to start recording before they called “all aboard”. Days before we started the trip I went over to Joe’s house with the whole rig and did some test recording... I tested everything at my studio,... at the hotel room the morning we were heading out on the train... And even with all of that : There were problems as soon I tried firing the rig up for the first time once I set it up in the first train station. I had just tested it 30 minutes before !! I finally got it working but my stress level was an all time high. And then I looked at that beautiful building and heard Billy & Joe singing in my headphones on that first day at Union Station in Chicago. Looking back now, it’s my most wonderful memory from that trip.
videoclip 'Hobo's Lullaby'
This was a great project to be part of. The most important thing for me
was the feeling of comradery I experienced. There’s nothing like being a
part of something great and being allowed and trusted to bring the best
of yourself to the group.
And so the journey began, … Was it pure concentration and focus, or was he able to enjoy everything he was experiencing ?
There were plenty of times I would look around at the beautiful places we were, listening to two amazing musicians singing great songs and thinking about how lucky I was. We could all only listen on headphones one at a time. This made it such a personal and intimate experience. Anytime I looked over to Joe or Billy when they were listening to playbacks back on the train, they would always give me a thumbs up so I knew they were happy. But most of the time I lived in shear terror that the recording equipment would fail or that the train would leave before I could get my mics packed and back aboard. At one point I almost got run over by a luggage cart, which is not something that usually happens on recording sessions.
You know, The thing that made me most aware of how special it was? It was when we got off the train in Austin at the end of the first leg of the trip. We had been this insular group of people living, sleeping, eating, and recording in this very unique way. Once we got off the train, knowing that we would not be getting back on until the next leg started, it was a very odd experience. I remember being out to dinner that night with a bunch of other people and feeling weird. Once we got back on the train with just us I felt good again. I wasn’t ready to go back to the world outside of the train. I knew then, that it would be a life changing experience. I was doing something I really cared about with people I really cared about.
Promovideo 'shine a light'
Billy and Joe are both monster songwriters and encyclopedias of music
over the decades. They live and breath that stuff every day, I live and
breath microphones and compressors.
It is indeed a very special project. I stopped calling it the album or tour, because I felt it had grown to something more important. I went to see Billy and Joe’s show in Portsmouth where that became clear to me. I wondered if Ryan felt the same way, if the scale of it all was already in the air during the recordings. Where they aware of the power of these songs ?
I agree. Music has a lot of power! Joe and Billy are great spokespeople for what’s good and what’s bad about their respective countries. Music can be a very effective way to communicate thoughts and ideas. And a great song can change and affect people as much as any other work of art. But when it comes to projects I work on : I live in a bit of bubble. As an engineer you aren’t usually aware of how the records affect people. Every once in a while, someone will send me a nice note about how much they like something I’ve worked on. But most of the time these albums just get sent out into the world and I’m not very aware of how important (if at all) they are to people. I will say that I had a powerful experience being part of this album and that’s really the most important thing for me.
Let me assure you Ryan : don’t underestimate the influence of your work. You’re way up there for me, and I think many others also. Already thank you for this, now a last quick one : studio or fieldrecordings ? I’ve made recordings I’m really happy with in all sorts of places. Aimee Mann’s album 'Lost in Space' was made mostly in my one-bedroom apartment. Ray LaMontagne’s album 'God Willin’ and the Creek Don’t Rise' was made in Ray’s living room. Almost everything I’ve done with Joe Henry over the last decade was done in his basement or versions of my home studio. I don’t think the physical space has as much to do with the recording as the people who make the album. It’s really the specific group of individuals coming together to put their passion, heart, and soul into something that really matters to them. I just love recording. Wherever or however it needs to happen. I would never want to limit myself by thinking there’s a right and a wrong way to record.
(1) :For more technical info on Ryan's set up visit : mixonline
Last week Joe and Billy ended their US tour and next week they'll bring their songs to the UK. (Check out their itinerary) In the meantime they have done some radioshows and interviews. Feel free to add extra input in the comment section below. Greetings,
Stefan
Some Radio performances :
The Current with Mike Pengra
Recorded in September, but now released : NPR's tinydesk
- Rock island Line
- Hobo's Lullaby
- Midnight Special
The Current with Mike Pengra
- In the Pines
- Railroad Bill
- Gentle on my mind
Joe and Billy played a live radioconcert for KEXP Seattle .
- John Henry
- In the Pines
- Gentle on my mind
- Rock Island Line
Mix online : For those interested in technics. (Small diary approach, great info on Ryan Freeland's work ! )
If you are interested in some earlier and original versions of these songs, I have made an entry about it. Feel free to listen and add your favorites at the entry ...Music that echoes long since...
Joe and Billy Bragg have kicked of their 'shine a light' tour. I also received my order for the album, and I am really happy to have gotten a LP. The artwork and layout of the object in itself are really wonderful. maps, stories, pictures, liner notes....
I will leave all the reviewing of the songs to the reviews one finds ad pleases. I'll keep it short : "I adore the album !"
On the 'shine a light' website also, are all the stations open
on the interactive map. So make sure to check that out.
Last week was Americana Fest, where Joe and Billy presented their album, and performed on several occasions. Let me try to give you, Joe and Billy's run don of those days.
First of all : Billy Bragg was presented the "Spirit of Americana / 1st Amendment / Freedom of Speech award". It was given to him by Joe and Ken Paulson.
Billy, for his turn, presented the "Americana President’s Award for Woody Guthrie" to Lucinda Williams.
During award night, Joe had other knowledgeable appearances :
apparently Joe Henry came out and awkwardly vamps for four minutes to introduce The Milk Carton Kids. (source)
Joe also paid tribute to Allen Toussaint, and performed a beautiful 'Freedom for the stallion'. (With Levon Henry on sax)
see the full show at this link
Freedom for the stallion : 00:48:10
anouncing the Milk Carton Kids : 01:33:48 (keep listening to the song ! brilliant !)
Billy's award part : 01:59:37
I ain't got no home : 02:12:55
But off course, Joe and Billy played also a few shows to present the 'shine a light' album. For that, they also went on a live stream NPR Americana Alphabet show.
Gentle on my mind during a morning session entitled "Riffs on the Rails" at americanafest.
Joe also sat in, at a reading session from T Bone Burnett's biography. He also performed one of T Bone's songs.
And to end with some music introduced for you by Billy and Joe : They put together a playlist of their favorite travel songs. It was presented by the guardian. Check out their stories for each song !
If I missed other interesting news, feel free to contact me, or leave a comment with your story.
Joe and Billy also took the time to visit the BBC for a Radiointerview. It starts at 02:37:10 Listen to the BBC interview (Only available for another 27 days)
I guess a lot of us were wondering it, but it was Steve Dawson who popped the Question :
"When will we hear another solo record from you ?"
It is part of a fantastic interview he did with Joe, and is available in 2 podcasts. And I repeat : Take a couple of hours, and listen to them : FAN-TAS-TIC !
But towards the subject of a new album.
Joe spoke about this. Some highlights, but much more on the podcasts itself :
........I'm actually gonna do an acoustic guitar-and-vocal demo session later this week, where I need to record 12 things or so, so I don't forget them. And that's sort of the beginning.......
........I like the idea of making a record before this year is out, but I haven't figured out how,............
......I really love recording, and love recording songs when they are verry, kind of viciourly alive. I wouldn't want to rest them for a year, and come back to and say "OK what excited me about this ?".....
To be short : It's a must. Take a couple of hours of, and listen !...
...listen to Joe's history on becoming a producer, working with T-Bone Burnett, Solomon Burke, Ornette Coleman, Bonnie Raitt,.... Listen on last years move from the Garfield house.
And the most exciting news maybe, the prospects of a new solo album...
This week part 1 of a interview with Joe is presented, next week part 2 will be there for us. I'll probably post a little more about it then. But for now, enjoy this one already.